Paper patching the hunting bullet for a muzzleloader. Lubrication for black powder guns business and bullets. Pittman bullets high performance muzzleloading shooting. Bullets up to 550 grs are fairly standard for the barrel so heavier is available. I wanted to share my success with paper patched muzzleloader bullets for deer. The only true way to determine best bullet weight is to shoot your gun with quality sights off a. Lubrication for black powder guns is an entirely different story. I would start by slugging the barrel and verifying that the diameter of your bullets is around. Black powder for some, the rottenegg stench of blackpowder smoke is the sweet smell of muzzleloading. It is a tc renegade with a stainless steel green mountain barrel with a 128 twist. Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below. Shooting a 90grain charge of goex ffg black powder and the crossstrip paper patched pedersoli cast 478grain.
Having said that, even if your barrel is choked somehow and the balls are oversized, i dont see that being the issue with it getting stuck unless you are using projectiles made. In my opinion, paper patched bullets was a kind of fashion in the early black powder cartridge era, and they were not necessarily better compared to grease grooved bullets. Old south firearms is family owned and operated and we are very knowledgeable concerning our products. Jul 06, 2017 lubrication for black powder guns is an entirely different story. The sizes for black powder cartridge rifles are different. Paco kellys leverguns community index forums general discussion. Most of these were paper type cartridges that the soldier tore open with his teeth, then dumped the powder down the muzzle, followed by the bullet and, usually, the paper that wrapped the unit. This article will instruct you on how to roll blank paper cartridges for. Muzzleloading info pine ridge black powder custom side. These cartridges consisted of a paper cylinder or cone containing the bullet, gunpowder, and, in some cases, a primer or a lubricating and antifouling agent. This is only a guide as individual barrels will vary. Paper patching traditional lead conical muzzleloader bullets. Shop black powder bullets and sabots at great prices and selection.
Shooting suppliesover 12,000 shooting supplies, black powder. In conclusion, i stil plan to shoot paper patched bullets for fun, especially bench type long rang range shooting where i can take the time to swab good between shots, i will especially be shooting the baco. Antifreeze and water is a very good solution to clean black powder barrels. Another advantage is that it uses much less powder for similar long range energies, loads lot faster and kicks a whole bunch less as well. Jul 18, 2018 muzzleloaders used for deer and bear hunting must be at least. The paper acts like a jacket and keeps the lead from smearing in the bore. Dedicated to the modern muzzleloading hunting enthusiast. Paper patch bullets shop paper patch bullets at buffalo. Here is a video i did on paper patching bullets for muzzleloaders. New lube for black powder rifles american shooting journal. Be sure to read the entire article and view all pictures before trying to make the. Whether you have a sharps, rollingblock, or a hawkin, all can be loaded using the paper patch method. I started to paper patch for my 45 cal tc renegade. May 17, 2016 myself, i prefer paper patched bullets for three reasons.
Granular loose black powder and black powder substitutes are the only legal propellants during muzzleloaderonly seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgunmuzzleloader only or archerymuzzleloader only. Muzzleloader projectiles muzzleloader bullets for sale. A paper cartridge is one of various types of small arms ammunition used before the advent of the metallic cartridge. We have the bullets you need for modern and traditional blackpowder. Use a thin card over powder, to protect the base of the bullet. Lo and behold, it worked well and i got very good accuracy. And, just like the difference between greasegroove bullets and paperpatched bullets, the reason for lubrication while shooting muzzleloaders is still the same, to keep the fouling soft for following shots.
Felt wads for muzzle loading and black powder cartridges. Distributors of black powder muzzle loader and cartridge loading firearms, accessories, kits, cannons, and conversion cylinders. Muzzleloading supplies, black powder supplies, muzzleloading. The 50 i wanted to try to patch for was a gun i put together for my son. Will likely work for other black powder rounds as well but im not sure. If you are shooting black powder, the patched bullet should be bore size, using the black powder charge to slug the bullet up to fill. The use of paper patched bullets is especially known from the buffalo hunts on the american prairies where millions of the shaggy beasts fell for paper patched bullets. Lube grooves add drag to a bullet, so for better long range bc the smooth sided, paper patched bullet is technically. Ppbs work equally well with black or smokeless powder. Shooting a paperpatched bullet in your inline muzzleloader, using blackhorn 209 powder behind it, opens up a whole new way to shoot your rifle. Jan 26, 2020 pittman bullets high performance muzzleloading powder tubes 5ml and 10ml powder storage tubes for muzzleloader powder charges. Bullets for black powder cartridges track of the wolf. Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles.
Will this work with a hard jacket bullet or must i cast my own with. For black powder cartridge shooters today, we almost always use lube with the bullets in. Working with lubricated bullets is messy in my experience. I paper patched a variety of 9mm and 38357 bullets. If you want to shoot a cast bullet in a muzzleloader you need a barrel cut 12 thousandths deep. Muzzleloader rate of twist chart muzzleloading bullets. Be aware that due to their custom nature, many of these bullets are designed for a specific purpose or firearm, and wont necessarily fit or feed as drawn in all guns of that caliber. Combustible cartridges are paper cartridges that use paper treated with oxidizers to allow them to burn. I made up some wrapped in tracing paper, and some with adhesive labels. Jun 21, 2006 black powder for some, the rottenegg stench of blackpowder smoke is the sweet smell of muzzleloading. Paper cartridges are also in use today by many black powder enthusiasts. It was up to the individual to acquire a mold close to the bore, and supplement the diameter to the bore.
Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper patch bullets. For black powder basics dixie gun works used to sell a very good soft cover book which was primarily for black powder shooters. These give a dense shot pattern and increased range, without the need for wet fiber wad. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed bullets with either black powder, black powder substitute, or smokeless powder, and would like more of an understanding about ppb cartridges and real black powder. If youre interested in hunting with muzzleloading rifles you have, no doubt, read the ads espousing the extreme performance capabilities of the high velocity. Paper patching for muzzleloaders video modern muzzleloader. Loaded in this fashion, with a grease ball and lubed paper, you should be able to shoot 10 shots and push all the fouling out the muzzel with one dry patch. Paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. Best accuracy is usually accomplished with a much closer fit, tailored to a particular firearm.
Paper patch bullets were once the most popular type of bullets in the 1800s. Are you thinking of paper patching for blackpowder or smokeless. Jun 28, 2015 this video is kind of the part two to the video shooting and field cleaning a traditional muzzleloader. If you reserve paper patched bullets for hunting and sighting in, they will. Does anyone here paper patch muzzle loader bullets. Jun 16, 2017 shooting a paper patched bullet in your inline muzzleloader, using blackhorn 209 powder behind it, opens up a whole new way to shoot your rifle. It easily betters the long range performance of the hard kicking. Paper patched bullets were used in some early cartridges, though i dont fully understand why. Mdm has teamed up with magkor, the producer of black mag 3, a.
Havent tried paper patched muzzle loading bullets, other than a cross patch in a friends bench gun. It seems that whenever i read anything about black powder, cast bullets are being used. A mixture of sulfur, charcoal, and saltpeter, black powder comes in different granule sizes. Paper patched bullet design software is available from corbin, as well as software that calculates multiple density, multipart bullet weights and volumes, calculates bullet air resistance and bc, and helps you determine the bullet diameter for a given rifling depth and paper thickness. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. Where i learned that i cant remember, but it works.
Forums user list calendar active threads forum help. Black powder bulletsmuzzleloading bullets buffalo arms. I was doing great with that gun so i decided to try my luck with my 50 cal. For black powder cartridge shooters today, we almost always use lube with the bullets in our loads.
The forums at enjoying fine old rifles and good friends one shot at a time. Shooting suppliesover 12,000 shooting supplies, black. Grease grooves base guards production knurling big slugs power press diamond knurl nose shapes. After you get paul matthews book go online and look for bruin bullets paper patch book. This catalog is a record of molds ive made, and posted for reference. I can sit in front of the tv, watch a program and load up 50 to 100 rather quickly. Those of us who loaded patched round balls instead of conical bullets were forced to hunt hard, get close and make that one shot count. I am shooting paper patch bullets with both smokeless and black powder. If youre going to have a mould made, or buy custom swaging equipment, buy some premade paper patch bullets from buffalo arms,for example, or someone else, so you are sure to get the right size prior to ordering your mould or swaging equipment. I powder coat most of my bullets but would not see the need for muzzle loaders of any kind.
We ran around with powder horns and fur hats, preaching the virtues of oddball things like cows knees, english flints and wasps nest wadding. Pittman bullets high performance muzzleloading powder tubes 5ml and 10ml powder storage tubes for muzzleloader powder charges. Heavy charges of black powder require additional lubricant under the bullet a grease cookie. North american muzzleloader hunting shares a couple of ways to patch lead bullets and the papers that works best. After all, a paper patch is just a very thin sabot. We live in a town that has deep country roots and values, with a passion for the outdoors. I decided to try my larger paper patch bullet with black powder. Buffalo hunters used this type of bullet to hunt millions of buffalos. Paper patch bullets were used in the 1800s for target shooting and hunting and are still being used today. Cant, wont, can dos and a surprise or two by randy d.
Corbin paper patchblackpower bullet tools corbin swaging. I prefer to use paper patched bullets simply because they are easier to handle. Authentic paper cartridges for reenacting, living history, and live fire muzzleloader. Sep 25, 2017 how to roll paper cartridges reenacting. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paperpatched conical bullets. A high density, 100% wool felt wad, lubricated with all day wonder lube, that will take the place of the over powder and cushion wad. The above discussion centres on cast and paper patched bullets, both of. Black powder a mechanical mixture of 75% potassium nitrate salt peter, 1011% sulfur and 1415 % charcoal by weight or a black powder substitute such as pyrodex. And, just like the difference between greasegroove bullets and paper patched bullets, the reason for lubrication while shooting muzzleloaders is still the same, to keep the fouling soft for following shots.
Forum for modern muzzleloader website announcements, forum support, software questions and suggestions. Jul 10, 2008 if you are shooting black powder, the patched bullet should be bore size, using the black powder charge to slug the bullet up to fill. Register log in home forums elk hunting black powder elk load. The fouling from firing black powder will turn into gritty crud in the presence of petroleum based lubricants. Ive been using maxiballs lately, but i want to try paper patching hornady xtp. Paper patches can be used to make slightly undersized bullets fit a gun with. Super great black powdermuzzleloader bullets, muzzleloader parts, muzzleloader supplies and great deals a great fair priced place to stock up on all your muzzleloader bullets, accessories and specialty products from precision rifle, barnes, thompson center, hornady, knight, cva, caldwell, remington 700 ml and ruger 7750. Black powder bullets and sabots for modern and traditional rifles. Oct 14, 2016 paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. Muzzleloader rate of twist chart this chart will help you select the bullet weight which is most likely to result in the best accuracy.
Is paper patching real for making bullets untraceable. I knew these slip fit bullets would move off the powder as i have tested this long ago with all of my barrels. The paper patched 400grain bullets were loaded over 75 grains of the olde eynsford 2fg, a thin milk carton wad over the powder, a 316 grease cookie of vigilante lube and then a walters. Is there some reason jacketed bullets shouldnt be used, or is it just convention. Light for the caliber bullets will work in fast twist barrels but we dont say. Explore the verity of trusted brands like cva, hornady, traditions, thompson center and more. Wrapping and sizing paper patched bullets for muzzleloaders. Midsouth carries everything from the muzzleloader, rifle, or pistol you want, to the black powder, sabots, and bullets that go in it, in stock and for sale, from great brand like lyman, cva, traditions, tc, pyrodex, blackhorn 209, and many more.
The latest upgrade of the packaged reload is one from millennium designed muzzleloaders. Not only is this the best 100yard group i have shot with this rifle, shooting a traditionally styled bore. Paper patched bullets for hunting modern muzzleloader. It has 4 sets of sights, barrel sight 100 yds tang sight 200 yds.
Paper patching muzzle loader bullets alaska outdoors forums. Now a black powder cartridge rifle is a horse of a different color. When you have a clean rag and time to wipe your hands between shots they work fine. However, in order to get a sufficient amount of powder into. I find 8 thousandths deep works well for paper patched bullets, but is too iffy for cast bullets. Swaged paper patched bullets are both more precise and easier and faster to make than cast paper patch bullets, since one stroke completes the bullet at exact diameter, and there is no lead to melt if one uses lead wire. If you want more than one box, please check quantity above. If i can get the wife to watch the kids for a while, ill try to launch.
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